swindon hammer
5:12 Sat Jun 12
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I didn’t want him gone. I was on the fence.
I just said it was probably the right time for him to go as the fans were never going to fully accept him and it wouldn’t help the team if the relationship deteriorated any further.
Stability is a good thing as my reference to John Lyall in my original post. No one has patience anymore and want changes all the time.
Most of our fans didn’t want Moyes to stay after his first stint and wanted a “Big profile manager”. Pellegrini comes in and spends loads of money and it doesn’t work out.
Most of our fans didn’t want Moyes back a second time and they were proved wrong.
It’s been proven over the past 32 years since Lyall got sacked that changing managers every couple of years hasn’t helped. We’ve won fuck all so to say “Look where Allardyce got us” is a stupid remark as it didn’t make us any worse than anyone else in that period.
My main point is let’s actually get behind the manager and stick with him even if we do go through a sticky patch. We have guaranteed European football for the first time in over 20 years (I’m not counting qualifiers in July) so he deserves a few years to see where we can go and not have the fans wanting a change after the first sign of trouble.
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RBshorty
4:33 Sat Jun 12
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Great news. Hopefully he’s here longer than the SPIVS.
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Manuel
4:05 Sat Jun 12
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Right. So he gave us stability and you wanted him gone, as did most.
That's all my original point was that you wanted to argue. Stability is okay to a point but it doesn't mean everyone is happy. If we finish 10th, 13th,12th in the next 3 years under Moyes plenty will want him out.
Glad you got there, eventually.
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solidbond
4:00 Sat Jun 12
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Goose 3:25
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Barty
3:51 Sat Jun 12
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Moyes is by far the superior manager to Big Sam
Moyes will steadily improve us is my guess
If not he´ll get the sack
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swindon hammer
3:51 Sat Jun 12
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At the time I felt it was the right time to go as the fans were getting tired of him but I certainly felt having Allardyce in charge for 4 years wasn’t a hindrance.
As I said previously it was not an easy job to come in and build an almost entirely new team after relegation and get us up first time and then stabilise us in the Premiership for a few seasons including a top 10 finish and a semi final cup appearance.
Not sure what the “Look where that got us” comment meant really.
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Manuel
3:41 Sat Jun 12
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I know Chelsea have unlimited funds, but it still works for them. Man Utd have chopped and changed since Fergie left and look at them, Arsenal can't get the right man either.
As for BFS, I'm well aware of his track record thanks, but most wanted him out despite stability. Did you want him to stay?
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swindon hammer
3:33 Sat Jun 12
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Manuel,
Chelsea have got unlimited funds so it’s an entirely different situation. We can’t afford to just sack a manager and then bring in another high profile manager and give him unlimited funds.
Even if you were to compare us to a bigger or richer club then it took Klopp nearly 3 years to win something before he won the Champions league and then the Premiership in consecutive seasons.
As for asking “where BFS being given 4 years got us?”
He got us out of the championship at the first attempt and kept us in the Premiership after the Avram Grant fiasco.
There have been many clubs like Stoke, Sunderland, Derby, Forest & Sheffield Wed that have dropped out of the Premiership and have never got back up. It’s not easy. Even John Lyall took 3 seasons to get us back up in 1981.
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goose
3:25 Sat Jun 12
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Good news. Bit of stability & measured growth is exactly what is needed.
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fraser
3:22 Sat Jun 12
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Genuinely pleased about this, I always wanted him first time and was gutted he left *
*I actually slaughtered him all the time and didn't want him but hoped he proved me wrong and has done.. Hope he continues to do so.. The dour ginger cunt.. :-)
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Manuel
3:06 Sat Jun 12
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''We need some continuity at the club. It’s the only way we will have a chance of achieving anything''
That is true to a point of course, but we had BFS for 4 years and where did that get us. Chelsea chop and change all the time and it works for them. But don't get me wrong I hope he's here and builds well on and off the pitch for a long time.
I like how he works in the market, seems to target the right players in terms of value, age, potential and profile of being good pro's off the park.
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swindon hammer
2:58 Sat Jun 12
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This is good news.
I hope our fan base doesn’t start calling for his head if we go through a bad patch next season
With the extra games in the Europa League it’s Inevitable that we will struggle to match the high of last season.
I’m fed up with changing managers every 18 months every time we go through a bad patch. If the club had fired John Lyall in 1978 for taking us down or in 1985 for only just surviving relegation then we would never have had those amazing moments in 1980 and 1986.
We need some continuity at the club. It’s the only way we will have a chance of achieving anything.
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El Scorchio
2:54 Sat Jun 12
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Great news.
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Manuel
2:49 Sat Jun 12
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Was always very likely, but good to see it confirmed. With Arse and Y's looking a shambles it's good to see we are, for a change, looking solid with genuine reasons to be optimistic for the future. fancy we will see Lingard arrive sooner rather than later too.
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Barty
2:34 Sat Jun 12
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https://www.whufc.com/news/articles/2021/june/12-june/david-moyes-signs-new-long-term-contract-west-ham-united-manager
This along with the recruitment infrastructure he got through is fucking awesome news for the club
Good times
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Kaiser Zoso
3:54 Fri Jun 11
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That only works if you pre suppose GSB don’t care if we win lose or draw.
That’s unlikely, even if it’s accepted money is their only objective. The more successful the club, the more they stand to gain.
So it’s a pretty stupid thing to ask, Nicey?
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Surfinglizard
3:39 Fri Jun 11
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57438156
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riosleftsock
2:08 Fri Jun 11
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Couldn't find this anywhere else (from the Telegraph on Moyes signing)
David Moyes was on the brink of signing a new three-year contract at West Ham United on Thursday night, ending any prospect of him returning to Everton.
Telegraph Sport has been told the club expects Moyes to put pen to paper on a deal on Friday, two-and-a-half weeks after he led them to their second-best Premier League finish of sixth and qualification for Europe.
Moyes had been linked with a return to Everton, who he managed for 11 years, after Real Madrid reappointed Carlo Ancelotti as manager.
But he has agreed instead to extend a contract that had 12 months remaining in what is his second spell in charge.
First-team coach Stuart Pearce revealed on Wednesday that Moyes had agreed in principle to stay on, telling talkSPORT: “For all intents and purposes he has agreed and the club have agreed to extend his contract as such.”
Moyes also confirmed just before the end of the season he was close to finalising a deal, one that would trigger a recruitment process West Ham hope will strengthen the team further following their unexpected success.
“I am not asking for time,” Moyes said. “I don't think any manager can ever ask for time. But I think if you're ever going to give a manager time, it would be now, where somebody has come in and saved the club twice, had one year and got ourselves in a position where we are going to challenge for Europe.
“If you are ever going to trust and say, ‘Let’s go to the next level’, now you have got to give that trust over. You have got to give the manager the ability to try to take the club on to reach what you see as the next level.”
That could include allowing him to make Jesse Lingard’s loan move from Manchester United a permanent one.
“I couldn’t say any more than I’m hopeful Jesse might want to come here,” Moyes said last month. “That’s up to Manchester United, but he’s been a positive signing.”
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PwoperNaughtyButNot
1:58 Fri Jun 11
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Kaiser Zoso 12:56 Fri Jun 11
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'The real issue with recruitment is that Sully habitually switches between completely different coaches like Allardyce or Moyes who want grafters to ones like Pellegrini who want more creative or technical players.'
Spot on, Nagel. I also suspect that in appointing bilic and Pellegrini, Sullivan thought he was giving the fans what they wanted, rather than it being his own preference, but we'll never know if that's true so not worth arguing. But I'd be fucked off writing £40 million plus cheques for players who are fucking useless, so hopefully with Moyes, we've come out of that particular cycle for good
Bit would you be fucked off really? You are still receiving your interest payments, you and your family and other directors are still receiving their salaries, the football club is still in the PL and receiving the TV money. It’s never their own money that they spend, it’s all on the books and only becomes relevant if we get relegated and suddenly their payments are at risk,
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Barty
1:34 Fri Jun 11
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https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1403293363768541189
Good news
Moyes has got what he wanted which is full control of transfers
Fucking excellent I wouldn't trust another coach currently on the planet to spend the limited dough the Daves cough up
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stepney hammer
1:16 Fri Jun 11
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With a bit of luck if Pellegrini did get the Everton gig he'd come back in for Anderson and Yarmolenko.
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